Проект StarGate Atlantis, Звёздные врата: Атлантида Опции

[Valery]

I don't agree on second. Most of time you have to translate from a language you don't know, as chinese-->english, russian--->english. So need machine first. Then fix machine by using your brain, ERM reading and your capacity to compile logical in-map actions.

This is only way that allows to make good translation. And yes, this way have been used hundreds of times even before there was any machines capable to do a machine translation.

Give me a single example of a english to russian translation of a Heroes map made by the past, using manually translate and not machine. There is none, and we have to do with what we have, or nothing is done the other way.

Actually there aren't much difference between good translator and good writer.

I agree.

[Haart of the Aby...]

Most of time you have to translate from a language you don't know

Good translation can be only maked from a language that is familiar to translator. And good translator will never take on job to translate from language he don't know well.

Give me a single example of a english to russian translation of a Heroes map made by the past, using manually translate and not machine.

A single example? Well, i am completely sure that russian version of "Cave of Gerfrex" map may serve as such an example. Moreover, i am almost sure sure that all default Heroes 3 maps and campaighs in Buka's russian releases of Heroes 3 were translated without using machine translate. Sadly enough, if you ask i will not be able to give you any prooflinks because i haven't engaged in this and all related web-conversations (if any) are sink in the depths of time. But i hope you understand that, being a native Russian-speaker and having good literary taste, i always can detect whenever some piece of text are based on a machine translate.

[Valery]

Lord Haart, you are right, in theory. If one knows the source language, it is much easier, but not necessarily better.

I experienced it with the Chinese-->English translation of the "Dragon Slaughter" map, text heavy. We did not know a word of chinese, but worked hard and the upcoming translation is if not perfect, at least fitting to a high standard.

Sometimes the text can be changed, to get more proper sentences, within similar flavor. Machine translation is routing work, artistical translation may require other skills then knowing language. A word per word translation is a very bad idea, specially when dealing with languages where a single word can have up to 50 meanings, as chinese does. I don't know about russian.

[Вог мастер]

Большую половину конечно вставлял в переводчик, но не в один, а одновременно в три, из этого выбирал лучший перевод, изменял его и вставлял. Простые предложения сам переводил. Лучше не будем больше об этом говорить и о переводе, просто наслаждайтесь игрой, ведь я в конце концов не для себя делал, а для вас

[Valery]

Wog Master, I appreciate what you did. Perfect or not perfect, you did more than anyone here for Atlantis mod (except Astaroth naturally).

The mod is a total conversion of WoG, anf the russian translation is there only to facilitate approach and make it playable, not present a Lord of Rings romanced grammar (Lord of the Rings is a good literature standard anyway?).

Criticizing the translation is off topic, unless it is absolutely 100% not understandable. But I am unable to test its quality.

Actually, if someone of you provided us a machine translation of Phoenix mode, we would highly appreciate it because it would allow me or others to enjoy (at least partially) Berserker work. Which we can't right now.

And good translator will never take on job to translate from language he don't know well.

A good translator will make a good translation for money, it is his job. For free, we take what it is given, so I say thanks or I ignore. No one forces you to deal with a russian translation you don't like or understand. Just pass your way...

Btw, Byte Bandit and Jim Vogan started a SITE with more than 100 translated maps from various languages. Most are done with machine then manually fixed anyway. A great project which I support 100%, allowing us to explore maps we could not until now, so they do not get lost in time.

[packa]

Спасибо, Вог мастер.

[Valery]

Just a note: When I released it I included Baratorch HD patch (from months ago), with a few mine modifications.

But Atlantis will no more work with the latest Baratorch HD patch, the right click texts, the custom portraits and the custom icons will be ignored/replaced by HD patch.

So it can be played with the version included, but 100% not compatible with latest HD patch.

[baratorch]

во-первых. начал играть, телепортнулся к атлантиде, зашел, вышел, сел в джампер. Что делать дальше не понимаю. Куда лететь то?

во-вторых. запустил h3wog.exe, запустил h3wog.exe_HD.exe (c установленным HD 2.24f) разницы не заметил, в чем проявляется 100% несовместимость с хд модом не понял.
Разве что панель ресурсов в HD геройская, но это исправляется несколькими кликами..

[Etoprostoya]

во-первых. начал играть, телепортнулся к атлантиде, зашел, вышел, сел в джампер. Что делать дальше не понимаю. Куда лететь то?

Там портал на западе-юго-западе где-то.

[baratorch]

как он выглядит?

[FCst1]

Ну... Там на западе только один объект, к которому можно добраться по воде... Такая своеобразная платформа с вращающимися лопостями (?).

[Etoprostoya]

как он выглядит?

Над ним ещё птицы летают. Выглядит не как обсерватория Там какие-то острия к небу тянутся.

[Valery]

Atlantis is released with HD patch (one of the first version), of course the resource bar was modified by me to fit the new resources layout. My problem with the last version is that icons are changed, but this would not be hard to fix, if they did not also change the text when clicking right:



All the right clicks on icons produce custom text, and I don't know why the last HD patch ignore them.


Also when I play with Heroes32.exe_HD.exe I get the original portrait, it ignores the ERM scripts changing it.



About jumper, you must take the whirlpool (the jumper is highlighted when moving the mouse cursor on the tile)

[baratorch]

I told you, that you can turn off most of the HD features in HiRez2.ini.
Set all values to zero, and you will get nothing else but high resolution.

Код

No CD = 0

Replace main menu items = 0

Replace main menu static text = 0

Fix russian spellbook = 0

Fix disappearing russian text = 0

Clip cursor = 0

Extended adventure manager = 0

Extended army management = 0

Color mode = 0

Berserker's CPU patch = 0

[Berserker]

Breseker

[Valery]

Thanks, I will do it.

Who is Breseker

Edit: I changed all options to 0 but still the text is original, not my scripted text. Also I can't run h3wog.exe_HD.exe, I get a black screen. I can run only Heroes32.exe_HD.exe when the hero portrait is still changed.

I think I have to remove all HD patch and reinstall it, as the combination with the GF 32 bit patch was not good.

Добавлено ([mergetime]1284062761[/mergetime]):
I removed GrayFace 32 bit patch and all is working well. I needed for that to paste a clean wog.exe and a zdraw.dll, as removing it causes the HD setup to close. I guess now it is ok, thanks.

[Valery]

To be viewed in 480p

[Berserker]

Gorgeous movie!

[Maestro]

шедеврально! (masterpiece)

[FCst1]

On the present it is quite good! I add it in the first message!

Добавлено ([mergetime]1284283526[/mergetime]):
Отредактировал первый пост. Добавил в него видеоролик и русскую версию карты.

Добавлено ([mergetime]1284283776[/mergetime]):
Добавил SGA v2.