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[Xarfax111]

Hello from Germany

Please dont laugh at me that i dont speak Russian

Im a member from the largest German Community called Drachenwald. We have heard about your good work called "Tournament Edition".

Altough almost all features do make sense, we are first interested in the genius invention called the "Creatures-Exchange-Button"

Is there a way to install ONLY this feature? Even without WOG? And if, can someone explain how to do it to my small mind, that i might be able ot do it?

Any help would be greatly appreciated!

I hope for an answer, viele Grüße Xarfax111

[Irh]

Блин...

Well, as far as I understand, you'll have to examine heroes3.exe assembly code, find out the code part that handles heroes meeting dialog, learn internal message processing system, write your code and inject it into heroes executable...

Well, I can say it is MUCH of work to do from base.

And may I ask, why would one have to do all that just to have one more button?

[Xarfax111]

And may I ask, why would one have to do all that just to have one more button?

Easy answer: The things are now, as they are done for the TE version, are now known. The code, the sequenze and how to change it. That was the hard part, that part is done.

Now we maybe just need to repeat this, without doing the other stuff ...repeating it doesnt take to much time, dont you think?

[Irh]

Well, the problem is, that if things are "done" and "known", they are done and known by someone, namely, ZVS. And it would be, though relatively easy for him, take significant amount of his time to extract some part of functionality from his code - or, the more so, to explain how to do that to someone else.

Not to forget that this share would be quite disproportional, for any simple action, different from changing a single text string in an executable, would require creating some base, which is a rather big work.

That would require a real motivation...

(Короче, похоже чуваку нужны Герои без всякого ВоГа, но только с кнопкой "обменять войска". )

[Xarfax111]

That would require a real motivation...

As far as i can see the TE team is highly motivated. I dont know where this motivaton comes from, but it must be something to do with the love to this game that we share

I hope that someone will make the complete Heroes Community happy with this Button ... i would be very grateful

[Irh]

I probably used not the best word - motivation - I meant that you should have, imho, given more details of why do you want exactly this piece of functionality and not some others, and why not using other ways like playing WoG with most scripts turned off etc...

Sorry if not fully understood your idea...

Хм. Почему именно Кнопка?

[SAG19330184]

i guess i know the answer. People are reluctant to change the way they always played this game...they don't like Slow on level2, mage guild re-build, speciality-based increase in weekly creature growth, etc...they never tried TE, however they have their opinion...exchange button doesn't change any game strategy or tactic, however makes games a bit faster (like cranim.txt). imho if these people will get SOD with "exchange button" - then they will never accept any other change in game

вот такие дела

[Horn]

Xarfax111, you can write your own script with the only button added in it. It's easy enough. You may use our code (TE is open project) for it, and I say more - "Change Army" button code is placed in script02.erm file.
But anyway you should launch h3wog.exe or h3te.exe to play it, because of no scripts can be used with original heroes3.exe.

[Гость_Berserker_*]

Guys, everything is quite simple! ZVS has just built in special language called ERM in the h3wog.exe. And almost every innovation was made using ERM. Use wog, delete all scripts and write your own mini-script. I don't see any other ways to reach the aim
Good luck!

[Bes]

off:
I whould like to send (выразить, короче) my respect for all Drachenwald group for them love to original Heroes III SoD gameplay (without any bonus, which gave ZVS)!

[izrukvruki]

Seltsam. Warum umgehen Sie sich englisch, und nicht auf deutsch? Der Mensch tatsächlich aus Deutschland schreibt.

[Гость_Д'якон_*]

Seltsam. Warum umgehen Sie sich englisch, und nicht auf deutsch? Der Mensch tatsächlich aus Deutschland schreibt.

Так саме це я і мав на увазі. Туда їм усім і дорога.

[Xarfax111]

i guess i know the answer. People are reluctant to change the way they always played this game...they don't like Slow on level2, mage guild re-build, speciality-based increase in weekly creature growth, etc...they never tried TE, however they have their opinion...exchange button doesn't change any game strategy or tactic, however makes games a bit faster (like cranim.txt). imho if these people will get SOD with "exchange button" - then they will never accept any other change in game    вот такие дела

Hi SAG nice to see you here too. It is not like you described. I very like the other things like spell-balancing, town-balancing (conflux and necro) and many other things very much ...but i dont like all of them. Especially i dont like the original WOG features.

So i asked for the feature that i most important for me, as like Irh already noted, this alone can be enough work to ask for.

Best regards Xarfax1

PS: You might dont know that I was the Inventor of the first modified Cranim-file and gave that to the Community: http://heroescommunity.com/viewthread.php3?TID=11945


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Xarfax111, you can write your own script with the only button added in it. It's easy enough. You may use our code (TE is open project) for it, and I say more - "Change Army" button code is placed in script02.erm file.
But anyway you should launch h3wog.exe or h3te.exe to play it, because of no scripts can be used with original heroes3.exe.

Hello Horn, thanks for this greatly appreciated info! I have heard about your very good work here!

Thanks a lot!

Добавлено ([mergetime]1194707844[/mergetime]):

Guys, everything is quite simple! ZVS has just built in special language called ERM in the h3wog.exe. And almost every innovation was made using ERM. Use wog, delete all scripts and write your own mini-script. I don't see any other ways to reach the aim
Good luck!

Yes, thanks. As soon as i do find some time i will try! Thanks for your help too.


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Seltsam. Warum umgehen Sie sich englisch, und nicht auf deutsch? Der Mensch tatsächlich aus Deutschland schreibt.

Ich weiß zwar das viele Russen mehrere Sprachen sprechen. Da aber international English geschrieben wird, habe ich hier auch in English geschrieben.

(Viel Spaß bei der google-Übersetzung )


<--i love this smile

[SAG19330184]

Xarfax111, you can write your own script with the only button added in it. It's easy enough. You may use our code (TE is open project) for it, and I say more - "Change Army" button code is placed in script02.erm file.
But anyway you should launch h3wog.exe or h3te.exe to play it, because of no scripts can be used with original heroes3.exe.

it doesn't work. Error in initialization. File ZCrBank.txt and other z*.txt files missing...and when i tried to extract these txt files from LOD, game simply doesn't start.
в общем простой запуск экзешника не работает, требуется ZCrBank.txt и другие текстовики. После того как я выложил в DATA текстовики, игра вообще перестала запускаться...кто знает, возможно ли все таки запустить h3te.exe или h3wog.exe без установки вога?

[Irh]

AFAIK, there is a problem with txt files, so that in some combinations game silently crashes loading them, so it looks like it doesn't start at all. The effect can differ on different Windows versions. The exact cause and remedy is unknown - in my case, it helped to delete all names from titles files, except Van Caneghem and Remedy . So, you have to try and find out the working combination of txt files.

Есть такая проблема с текстовиками, что игра может падать в самом начале, и это выглядит, как она не запускается вообще. Это зависит от версии Винды, от содержания и наличия текстовых файлов в Дата и лодах. Что с этим делать - непонятно, мне, например, однажды удалось запустить игру, удалив все строки из файла титров, кроме нескольких первых. В общем, надо пробовать.

[Horn]

Тут фишка в том, что текстовики должны подходить по формату. Например, ТЕ и заготовка под 3.59 (что почти одно и то же) требуют таблицу заклинаний (Sptraits.txt) на 200 штук, а ехешники СоД и 3.58 хотят старый формат, на 70 с копейками спеллов.

[SAG19330184]

то есть возможно воговский экзешник заработает с минимумом текстовиков и изменений? попробую на днях. пока тестил тока ТЕшник.